Let's Volt In!

In this nostalgia-driven episode, Carmina and Patch revisit their favorite childhood cartoons. Top of the list is Voltes V, which Carmina and Patch didn’t realize was a political tinderbox and awakened a deeply buried rage. They also discuss favorite runners-up Paul In Fantasyland (but not so much for Patch) and Candy Candy (which they both adore), to round out their reminiscences. But during their research, they made a surprising discovery about the Philippines’ animation industry – so tune in next time for the fascinating sequel to this episode!

Learn more: Voltes V Full Opening Theme Song With Lyrics, Ferdinand Marcos angered ‘Voltes V generation, Voltes V Intro, Voltes V: A Look Into Its Popularity and Legacy, Where to Watch Full Episodes of GMA's "Voltes V: Legacy" Online, Voltes V & Martial Law In An Artist’s Memory, Revenge of A Martial Law Generation, 6 Robot Anime That Filipinos Grew Up Watching, ‘Voltes V’: What you need to know before watching ‘Legacy,’ PHILIPPINES’ “VOLTES V: LEGACY” TO DEBUT AT SAN DIEGO COMIC-CON 2023, The Candy Candy Nightmare, and J-Pop Talk Show – Saturday Night Live.

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Transcript

Carmina: 0:06

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Patch: 0:35

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Carmina: 0:46

Back to our show. Today's trip is a culture trip when we explore Filipino customs and way of life. And today we're going back to our childhood Patch, to talk about our favorite cartoons. Yay, yay!

Patch: 1:02

It's funny you said Filipino customs, right? <laugh> . And then we're finding out that our favorite cartoons really, were not Filipino, but there are certain backstories to at least one of them that we've discovered. That's really intriguing to me. But anyway, okay, where do we begin?

Carmina: 1:21

<laugh> . Okay, we're not gonna go into all that, but <laugh> , for those who want the nostalgia, we're going to link a couple of videos for the intro of our favorite...

Patch & Carmina: 1:41

Voltes Five!

Patch: 1:43

<laugh> . Shall we vault in <laugh> ?

Carmina: 1:46

Yes. Let's volt in.

Patch: 1:47

Oh God , that's cringe. But ,

Carmina: 1:51

But so good cringey, right? <laugh> .

Patch: 1:54

<laugh> .

Carmina: 1:55

I found myself singing to YouTube videos of the intro of the actual cartoon. And then I found, of course, <laugh> one that only had the lyrics. And you better believe that I played and followed along to that multiple times. <laugh> . So this is going to be a totally self-indulgent and nostalgia driven episode.

Patch: 2:21

Voltes V. It's really a Japanese anime that was popular during the 1970s in the Philippines, and it narrates the heroic exploits of the pilots of this robot and their trials against this alien invaders from the planet Boazan. Do I sound like, like a nerd? <laugh> ,

Carmina: 2:45

You're talking to a fellow Voltes V nerd, so that's fine.

Patch: 2:49

Oh , it's so exciting. But anyway,

Carmina: 2:51

Yeah. So this showed in Japan from June, 1977 and ended in March of 1978, but it didn't actually show in the Philippines until May, 1978. It had 40 episodes. And what I didn't realize is that it's a second installment of what's called the Robot Romance Trilogy.

Patch: 3:12

Yes. I also just discovered that.

Carmina: 3:14

The first one is called Combattler V, the second is Voltes V, and the third is Tōshō Daimoso. Now I know Daimos.

Patch: 3:23

Yes.

Carmina: 3:23

You remember? That's one of my favorites too. But I don't know Combattler V.

Patch: 3:28

Did they even show it in the Philippines?

Carmina: 3:30

I don't think so.

Patch: 3:31

Mm -hmm .

Carmina: 3:32

What I read was the romance part really refers to the pioneering nature of the series because it tackled complex and emotional storylines in comparison to the other popular Japanese cartoons at that time. What they called the robot of the week genre.

Patch: 3:50

Yes, and also tackled issues with family identity and all of that. That all is in what they say is the romance part.

Carmina: 4:01

Out of these three, Daimos is the only one that really had a very strong romantic plot, although didn't I remember some kind of love triangle going on <laugh> with, you know, with Voltes V as well?

Patch: 4:15

Uh , yes. Well, Steve, Jamie , and oh my God, who was the other one?

Carmina: 4:23

<laugh> . Aha . You're not a true Voltes V nerd. <laugh> . Mark .

Patch: 4:29

Mark .

Carmina: 4:31

So let's go into the characters. This blew my mind. Okay, so we know them as the Armstrongs, right?

Patch: 4:38

Correct.

Carmina: 4:39

The Armstrongs were actually originally the Ghos in the original Japanese. So there's Steve Armstrong, there's Big Bert, his brother, and Little John , also his brother. And then there's Jamie , who's the female. And Mark, who's the other guy who's not the brother <laugh>. So there's five of them. Three of them are brothers, and each of them have a really very interesting backstory. And there's this father, Ned Armstrong, who was kind of the mastermind of the group.

Patch: 5:14

And his original name was Kentaro Goh.

Carmina: 5:17

Steve was Ken'ichi Gō , Big Bert is Daijirō Gō, Little John is Hiyoshi Gō. Jamie is Megumi Oka and Mark is Ippei Mine. And then the villain, of course, Prince Zardoz. In the original is Prince Heinel.

Patch: 5:33

A little description on each character.

Carmina: 5:36

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> .

Patch: 5:37

Steve Armstrong is the team leader. He is a marksman, a motocross champion. <laugh>.

Carmina: 5:45

Why are you laughing? <laugh>?

Patch: 5:46

Well, okay. He's a marksman and a motorcross champion. Very important to become a team leader, an ace pilot and the eldest of the Gho brothers, right?

Carmina: 5:59

Mm -hmm . <affirmative> .

Patch: 5:59

And then there's Big Bert. He's a defensive tactician. Little John was very much interested in mechanics, robotics, and electromagnetism.

Carmina: 6:11

He had that little octopus robot.

Patch: 6:13

Yes! Yes! He created that. That's right. And then this interesting part for me, there's Mark who was a rodeo champion. <laugh> .

Carmina: 6:24

Hey, don't you remember one of the weapons?

Patch: 6:28

It's a laso? Okay. O kay.

Carmina: 6:31

That's right, very important.

Patch: 6:32

Right. I'm not saying he wasn't <laugh> , I just would never think now that that would <laugh>.

Carmina: 6:40

Make sense.

Patch: 6:40

Very important skill set to become a pilot of a robot. But, okay. And then also there's Jamie, who was a female ninja.

Carmina: 6:52

That one I love.

Patch: 6:54

Yes. Heir to a very famous and respected ninja clan.

Carmina: 6:58

So what's the backstory of why this family came to be?

Patch: 7:03

The professor, Ned Armstrong and his wife, they built this large scale effort that was backed by United Nations.

Carmina: 7:13

Their backstory, like before that, before they built Camp Big Falcon, which I think is what you're talking about. Yes . The fortress.

Patch: 7:22

<laugh> . Are you talking about the family secret?

Carmina: 7:25

Yes.

Patch: 7:26

I mean, should we spoil?

Carmina: 7:27

Or not ? Not , I mean, it's all out there. Ah.

Patch: 7:33

I'm conflicted because this is what makes it so good, <laugh> .

Carmina: 7:38

I know, I really don't wanna spoil it for anyone who wants to discover it.

Patch: 7:42

Maybe we can just do a little like case .

Carmina: 7:45

There's a big family secret behind Professor Armstrong and his wife.

Patch: 7:51

Yes. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> .

Carmina: 7:51

That is kind of the driving force behind the whole series. And the reason why there's so much conflict with the Boazanians.

Patch: 8:01

And it drove a lot of this identity crisis on the part of our Armstrong Brothers.

Carmina: 8:09

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Patch: 8:09

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> .

Carmina: 8:11

I love why we're so excited about this <laugh> , but before we really spoil it, it still does follow that robot of the week genre. Right? Every week when, you know, we would rush to go home from school to find out what big bad robot the Baz Brazilian empire came up with next. And the whole episode really is about the Volti five team overcoming a lot of challenges, fighting the robots. We were talking earlier about why this romance trilogy was very unique. Volti five in itself is very unique because of the themes that communicated such as family equality, self-sacrifice, teamwork, and most importantly for the time, patriotism.

Patch: 8:58

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> .

Carmina: 8:59

It was also notable for introducing villains with depth and backstories that almost made them sympathetic, which was also unusual for that time because the common formula at that time was evil appearance and evil laughter.

Patch: 9:15

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Carmina: 9:17

<laugh> . But do you remember Prince Zardos?

Patch: 9:21

He was so cute.

Carmina: 9:23

As a little girl, you were like really conflicted about him. Right?

Patch: 9:28

Or maybe this is what launched an era of girls who like the bad boys. <laugh>.

Carmina: 9:34

Maybe <laugh> . So I didn't know this. Obviously it was very popular in the Philippines, but there were other countries where it became a phenomenon. It was biggest in the Philippines, but it was also popular in Indonesia and Cuba. But not Japan. Ironically,

Patch: 9:56

<laugh> <laugh> .

Carmina: 9:57

So why these countries? You know, I scratched my head for a little bit, and then I was reminded that these three countries were dictator led during that time.

Patch: 10:08

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> .

Carmina: 10:08

And since the show had those themes of socioeconomic injustices, discrimination, and freedom from oppression, it now makes sense why these were the three countries where it was most popular. But I was just really fascinated that it did have that historical significance because what were we living under? We were under martial law.

Patch: 10:29

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Carmina: 10:29

Do you remember? We did not see the last five episodes.

Patch: 10:34

Yeah. I , that was blocked out of my memory.

Carmina: 10:37

But because it was traumatic

Patch: 10:39

<laugh> . Yeah. Yeah. So when I was reading it , um, I was emotional.

Carmina: 10:45

It really was a WTF moment, I think for all of us. All of a sudden you don't see the last five episodes and you don't know how it ended. And can't you tell us why it was blocked.

Patch: 10:58

Due to so-called violence of the content? That's at least the official reason. But like you mentioned, there was these social issues reflected in the series. And basically that is that Boznia was under a dictatorial rule by an emperor who faced an upprising from the Bozanians who were discriminated against and enslaved simply because they had no horns.

Carmina: 11:26

And had those strong themes of rebellion, cries for justce and revolution. And so the government didn't really want to inspire that in the country. And I was so fascinated to learn that this trauma was memorialized by a sculptor Toym Imao.

Patch: 11:44

Right.

Carmina: 11:45

Through his creation called Last, Lost, Lust for Four Forgotten Episodes. It's a 13 foot sculpture that was displayed at the University of the Philippines in 2014.

Patch: 11:57

It was then exhibited at the Ayala Museum from May to June, 2015.

Carmina: 12:04

The artist describes it as a visual metaphor of the anger he felt as that ten year old who was deprived of the joy of seeing the series end. But as I was reading the article by the sculptor, I couldn't help but also feel like it was a coming of age for him, because it was a time when there was a lot of political awakening in the country, and his parents were involved in the cause

Patch: 12:28

I saw pictures of the sculpture.

Carmina: 12:31

Did it not represent that anger? <laugh>?

Patch: 12:35

<laugh> Yes.

Carmina: 12:37

I did not realize that it was still living deep within <laugh>.

Patch: 12:41

Um, I think for us Voltes V fans, we will recognize some parts of the sculpture, but for people who were not fans of the show, it might be a little confusing because for example, Ferdinand Marcos's head. For some people it would look like the devil because it had M16 rifle barrels coming out as horns. And then there was a building that looked like the Malacanang Palace on its head. But for Voltes V fans, we understand that really i t's reflective of that Bozanian Starship that resembled a skull with horns coming out. And then the Sky Rook on that head.

Carmina: 13:21

The horns were, as you said, machine guns. And that represented the guns that was used by the government to suppress the opposition. And then there were also wings, which he meant to depict the helicopters, the Torah tous that was also used to gun down insurgents. And Patch, you mentioned the structures on his head, there were four, you mentioned Malacanang, on the sides are Batasang Pambansa and the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. And then in the back is the Cultural Center of the Philippines, which were all symbolisms for the Marcos regime. And then right above Marcos's head was the traditional image of the Archangel Michael slaying the devil. Only, he's wearing the Voltes V helmets <laugh> .

Patch: 14:07

<laugh> . Yes .

Carmina: 14:09

And um, that whole imagery, apart from it being inspired by the traditional scene of the Archangel Michael slaying the devil, it also meant to represent the Ginebra San Miguel logo.

Patch: 14:21

Oh, why?

Carmina: 14:22

Maybe it represents how the Filipinos tried to drown their sorrows.

Patch: 14:27

Oh.

Carmina: 14:28

Okay. Through that gin, you remember the quatro cantos?

Patch: 14:31

Yes. Yes.

Carmina: 14:32

I, I think the more significant part of this though, was the figure under the angel was a four armed monster that represented the riot police and constabulary. The entire sculptural totem visually suggests an altar statuary composition. Similar to a Caroza, which we typically use in H oly Week processions, lighted by an assemblage of Molotov bombs. So the whole thing incorporates the characters from the Voltes V series as the representation of the Philippine experience under Martial Law.

Patch: 15:08

Since we did say that we were all upset as a generation that we didn't see the last episodes, we should mention, it was shown, eventually shown as a complete movie in 1999, which was two decades after its cancellation. And that was a movie entitled Voltes V: The Liberation.

Carmina: 15:30

I mean, we were already here by that time. Right?

Patch: 15:32

Right. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> .

Carmina: 15:33

So I still haven't seen the last five episodes, and I am on a hunt to not just to see those last five, but to actually revisit the whole thing, although maybe I don't have to, because there is now Voltes V Legacy, which is a live action adaptation of it that's being shown in the Philippines right now, created by the GMA Network in the Philippines in partnership with the original animation company, Toei Animation. I mean many times iteration of the original, but it carries the same name.

Patch: 16:13

It has good reviews. I was very relieved that they didn't butcher <laugh> this beloved childhood TV show, and also was featured at Comic-Con. There were a lot of Filipino American fans, at least who showed up for the Comic-Con. And it's all very exciting.

Carmina: 16:32

So apparently the reason why there's a lot of Filipino American fans of the younger generation who are into this is because their parents introduced it to them.

Patch: 16:42

When I heard that they were doing this reboot, I honestly, I got goosebumps. I was so excited.

Carmina: 16:49

Well, same here. And we're actually gonna link in our show notes how people in the US can watch.

Patch: 16:55

Is there a particular episode that you remember or scenes from an episode that you can remember?

Carmina: 17:01

I don't remember a particular episode, but I always had this interest in a lot of the family dynamics.

Patch: 17:09

Yeah, that family secret that we were referring to.

Carmina: 17:11

Right. And can't lie the love triangle <laugh> component. I mean, it never really got developed. Right? That love triangle component, but it's always hinted at, how about you? Any one?

Patch: 17:24

The image of the butterfly return technique? Do you remember that? <laugh>?

Carmina: 17:30

Vaguely. But...

Patch: 17:32

I dunno why it's so memorable to me. It's the way they were capturing the sword of the enemy.

Carmina: 17:42

Oh, right.

Patch: 17:43

And that was visually fascinating. But again, I think that was one of my favorite features of the show, is them figuring out in the end how to defeat the enemy.

Carmina: 17:54

For whatever reason. When you were talking about this, what I do remember is the tops.

Patch: 18:00

Yes.

Carmina: 18:00

When he would remove like what looked like belts.

Patch: 18:03

Right.

Carmina: 18:05

The tops would spin from his waist <laugh>.

Patch: 18:07

We didn't mention that each pilot would fly an aircraft that represents a piece of the robot that would vault in or come together to become one huge robot.

Carmina: 18:19

Hence vault in, right?

Patch: 18:22

Correct. And the other thing that's distinct is they eventually always defeat the enemy by slicing a V on the enemy robot.

Carmina: 18:32

Oh right! That is so distinct in my memory too . Oh my God. We have to find this

Patch: 18:39

<laugh> .

Carmina: 18:39

Okay. So if we do find where people can watch the old ones, the original ones, we'll also link it on our show notes.

Patch: 18:48

I just wanted to also mention, there were other robots also that were very popular in the Philippines, right?

Carmina: 18:54

Yes. Mazinger Z.

Patch: 18:56

<laugh> . Yes .

Carmina: 18:56

There's a V , there's a Z. What happened to all the letters in between though ? <laugh> ,

Patch: 19:02

Or as we say sometimes in Filipino accent? Letter Z , <laugh>

Carmina: 19:08

<laugh> . I wasn't expecting that.

Patch: 19:12

<laugh> .

Carmina: 19:15

Okay.

Patch: 19:17

Wait. So Mazinger Z for those who didn't know is another robot. And I guess one of his signature moves was the rocket punch. So it turns his fists into deadly, you know, projectile weapons. <laugh>.

Carmina: 19:31

I remember this now .

Patch: 19:33

Yep. What ?

Carmina: 19:34

Like the fists would just all of a sudden eject from his arms.

Patch: 19:38

It's based on Greek mythology.

Carmina: 19:40

What Greek mythology had arms <laugh>?

Patch: 19:43

Good question. <laugh> . Well, maybe not so much the weapon, but wait , wait. Now I'm curious what Greek mythology it was based on.

Carmina: 19:55

Yes. Please find out, because it's a huge mystery to me now. <laugh>.

Patch: 19:58

Okay. Mazinger Z, instead of being a manmade robot, it's a creation of Zeus. And Zeus is an alien from space whom mankind has mistaken for a God. So I guess that's where that a Greek mythology connection comes from. Yep .

Carmina: 20:18

Ah-huh . Okay.

Patch: 20:20

<laugh> . Okay, <laugh> . So wait , you also mentioned Daimos.

Carmina: 20:26

Right? So Daimos, what I remember most about it is the karate chops of the main character. Jamie, remember <laugh>?

Patch: 20:33

Okay. < laugh>, yes. But what I remember most was the two characters, Richard and E rica always calling for each other. Richard? Erica?

Carmina: 20:48

Oh wait, is it Richard? Not Jamie,

Patch: 20:50

It's Richard.

Carmina: 20:52

No, <laugh> . Okay . I made a mistake. So they're always like longing for each other. <laugh> running towards each other.

Patch: 21:00

Yes. Kind of like , uh, yeah, Romeo and Juliet kind of feel there. Yeah. So there was this alien life form the Barmians who come to the Philippines come to Earth rather. Not the Philippines. < laugh>, specifically < laugh>.

Carmina: 21:17

I mean, in our minds it was the Philippines.

Patch: 21:19

Exactly. So they had the , a leader, King Leon, who was assassinated. And so the Barmians become hostile and they t urn against us. And then, so Daimos was created to save us. And E rica is the, princess w as the daughter of King Leon. And Richard is the pilot of Daimos. So that's where the tragic story comes from. <laugh>, w ait. And now there's, I remember there's a robot. Wasn't there a robot? A female robot? The weapon was the boobs. Do you remember this? < laugh>? Okay. Hopefully that's a real thing. And not just me with my weird imagination. < laugh>.

Carmina: 22:01

Well, this might be a good segue to another favorite.

Patch: 22:06

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Carmina: 22:06

Paul In Fantasy Land. And this is where Italy comes in Patch.

Patch: 22:10

<laugh> . Hmm . Okay.

Carmina: 22:12

Was very popular in Italy too,.

Patch: 22:15

Right?

Carmina: 22:16

Paul, the main character, received a teddy bear as a gift from his parents. But the teddy bear named Pakkun turns out to be magical. The bear is able to go to alternate universes where Paul and his BFF Nina are transported. Unfortunately, Nina was kidnapped by the demon ruler in one of these alternate universes. So Paul and the teddy bear eventually had to return to Earth without her. And of course, like in the real world, right? Nina is gone because she's in that alternate universe. So the entire series is about Paul's attempts to save Nina.

Patch: 22:56

I remember images of it, but I, I don't think I was such a fan, but I didn't realize, wow, this is very dark <laugh>.

Carmina: 23:03

I t's right? Why did I love it so much?

Patch: 23:07

And also Carimina, the teddy bear didn't look like a teddy bear to me.

Carmina: 23:12

Well, it kind of became full size in the fantasy land, but it was like a teddy bear, you know, a little teddy bear in real life.

Patch: 23:21

Mm. Okay.

Carmina: 23:22

Okay. Since I can see you're so not excited about Paul <laugh>, let's talk about another one that I know we both love. Candy Candy <laugh> , you'll be mine tomorrow. So that theme song should have given you a hint, right? Uh , <affirmative> , it's kind of a Cinderella story. Candy is an orphan and lived in an orphanage called Pony's Home. In that orphanage, she had a good friend called Annie. And then she also had this chance encounter with a character called the Prince of the Hill, who lived behind the orphanage. This Prince of the Hill was wearing a kilt when Candy ran into him. Do you remember <laugh>?

Patch: 24:09

I just wanna mention that the orphanage was in Lake Michigan.

Carmina: 24:14

<laugh>.

Patch: 24:14

Yes.

Carmina: 24:16

So Candy was white, basically. Right?

Patch: 24:20

Well, we have to mention, for those who don't know, Candy, Candy is a , again, another Japanese series that was very popular. So, but that makes sense that Candy Candy is white <laugh> .

Carmina: 24:32

Well I mean, all of these characters were really made in the fashion of like Western looks. Yes. Right?

Patch: 24:39

Yes.

Carmina: 24:39

So, But Candy, Candy was very specifically American.

Patch: 24:44

Blonde , right? Yes. But yes, yes . You mentioned Prince on the Hill was wearing a kilt.

Carmina: 24:51

Somebody already had these Outlander fantasies back then, I guess.

Patch: 24:55

<laugh> .

Carmina: 24:56

So at that chance meeting Candy , Candy happened upon the Prince of the Hill playing the bagpipes.

Patch: 25:03

<laugh> in Lake Michigan.

Carmina: 25:06

And then why are we laughing? We loved this when we were kids, <laugh> . And then after that chance meeting the prince, you know, in a reversal of roles disappeared.

Patch: 25:16

Yeah.

Carmina: 25:18

Did kind of a Cinderella disappearing act and leaves behind a badge shaped into a star that Candy kind of keeps with her as her talisman. Yes. So later in the story, she was adopted by a family, which of course had resident evil siblings. It was a brother and sister named Eliza and Neil . Then she meets a boy who may or may not be the Prince of the Hill. His name is Anthony. And he looks very much like the Prince of the Hill.

Patch: 25:50

Well, tragically Anthony dies on a hunting accident. Jeez .

Carmina: 25:55

Spoiler alert.

Patch: 25:57

<laugh> . Oh, I'm sorry. <laugh> .

Carmina: 25:59

Oh , you are right. He dies. But this whole series actually follows Candy from her childhood to her adulthood, right?

Patch: 26:07

Yes. Yes.

Carmina: 26:08

It was aired in Japan from 1976 to 1979 and had 115 episodes. But there was real life drama Patch. There were lawsuits, several of them, between 1998 and 2001, that involved the original creator of the series, Kyoko Mizuki, the illustrator, who was also considered a co-creator. Yuko Igarashi, and Toei Animation. Again, t hey kind of cornered the whole animation market. I'm, I'm gathering. So Igarashi was apparently selling Candy, Candy merch without the knowledge of Mizuki and Toei. So there was a whole saga about that and, uh, o wnership rights, which thankfully is r esolved. And that allowed Ca ndy C a ndy t o be distributed worldwide.

Patch: 26:57

I just wanna say, I didn't realize this, apparently in 2011, the series was parodied in Saturday Night Live.

Carmina: 27:05

I know. I was trying to find it.

Patch: 27:07

<laugh> . Yeah.

Carmina: 27:08

It was popular even here then. Yep . This was really something that I really feel was, like I said in the beginning, very self-indulgent. Somehow there was a part of me <laugh> that was very, very satisfied. You know, that ten year old part of me.

Patch: 27:23

Very cathartic.

Carmina: 27:25

Yes. So, I'm so glad that we tackled this episode. Yes,

Patch: 27:29

Absolutely. Like what I mentioned, it's very cathartic, but when I was researching about Voltes V and all these animation series, back in the day, I kept coming across the history of animation in the Philippines. And I think it , it would be really interesting for us to delve into for our next episode.

Carmina: 27:51

So with that patch, let's vote out for today, <laugh>.

Patch: 27:56

So that's our episode. We hope you join us for our next trip,

Carmina: 28:01

O siya, siya!

Patch: 28:02

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